- Big Changes Coming
- Part 1. Can We Do This?
- Part 2. Let’s Do This
- Part 3. Tomorrow is Promised to No One
- Part 4. Vive la France?
- Part 5. Portugal
- Part 6. When Do We Leave?
- Part 7. A Goal Without a Plan is Just a Wish
- Part 8: Our Stuff is Now Their Stuff
- Part 8b: Revisiting “Our Stuff is Now Their Stuff” – Results!
We’ve decided that we would like to move to Portugal. Great! Now how exactly do we make it happen and when will we be able to afford it. We work some things out with our financial advisor (again!) and have a solid plan that, according to some extensive modeling, seems to be 80%+ likely to result in a successful post-work life, starting at Lisa’s 59-and-one-half birthday, which is when we gain access to her 401(k)1. (Verb tenses are tricky when you’re mildly updating a 3-year-old blog post. Mostly I’m just leaving them alone; sorry if it ever gets confusing.) That puts retirement day, or “R Day”, in early 2027. So, ok, solid plan. The only problem with it is, for both of us, once we started thinking in concrete terms about moving to Europe, we really lost patience quickly with the idea of waiting so long. (The history of us shifting from “let’s be very deliberate and consider all our options” immediately into “LFG!!!!!” is a long one. The last house we bought teetered from “it’s a slow day, let’s check out one of the new neighborhoods in the area” to “BUY BUY BUY!” a la the Duke Brothers in about an hour.) I2027 is already far earlier than we ever expected to do it, but that doesn’t change the fact that we had the bit in our teeth and we didn’t want to spit it. We kept noodling on plans. We figured out how to maximize our savings with a larger balance outside of our retirement vehicles (401k, IRAs of all kinds…) because we could basically “buy” months of early retirement by being able to pay cash on the barrel. In other words, if our monthly budget in retirement is $7000, every $7000 in liquid, non-retirement savings is a month we can chop off of the wait to move. (This simplifies a lot of things, like moving and initial expenses, maintaining emergency savings and so on, but you get the idea.) We figure that the process of time passing + increased saving money over that time will meet at about 18 months or so of extra retirement. Awesome! We’ve moved “R” day all the way up to late 2025. That’s way closer, right?
(We won’t keep saying this over and over, but we are not financial advisors. This is a description of how the thinking worked for us. If you need a guy, we still like ours.)
Welllll yes, it is way closer, but still. The small-child portions of our brains were still very much “but I wanna go nooooooww!”, and we weren’t really fighting all that hard to hush those voices. There are some personal considerations that we won’t get into just now, but Lisa in particular has carried a very difficult situation in her life for many years now, and she’s done so with tremendous grace, but retiring and/or moving would cut the situation cleanly out of her life, and I’ve wanted that for her very badly for a long time now. If you’ve guessed what came next, congratulations – again, not rocket science, but we had to work through these things at our own pace.
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The home we live in has been a question mark for some time now. Some people in the retirement-advice game suggest that you make your home a rental property while you’re gone, as your destination country really likes to see an ongoing income stream even if you’re retired. Also, it means you’ve got a home to come back to. On the other hand… we’ve been assiduously paying down our mortgage for the 11 years we’ve lived here and owe less than $200k. Have I ever mentioned that we live in a suburb of Seattle, Washington? (Alarm bells just started going off for some people.) This is one of the absolute hottest real estate markets in the country lately; this was written in June of 2021 and is publishing in October of 2021 – hello, readers from the future! (Hi, me! I’m a reader in the future! What the hell, let’s keep it going – this is publishing in June of 2024; hello readers from the further future!) The housing situation tweaks my liberal guilt, as it makes housing less and less affordable for people who need it. However, it can’t be helped that it’s also insanely good if you’re a seller. (The best we could do is try to sell to, you know, actual humans who need a home rather than to an equity pool that is merely expanding their rental portfolio; we managed to pull that one off, thank goodness.) Normally we ignore news about the housing market in Seattle, because we’ve liked living where we do; this means any thought of selling our house has always been immediately followed with “yeah but then we have to buy back into the market, so that’s basically a wash.” Sure… but what if we aren’t buying back in? What if we take the money and, almost literally, run? We re-do some numbers once again(!) only with the infusion of our net gains on our house and, suddenly, we have incredible freedom in picking our “R” day – it has gone from ‘maybe someday’, to ‘very plausible in the future’, and all the way to ‘not quite pack our bags, but definitely start shopping for luggage.’ We come to settle on May of 2022(!!!) as our target. This is incredible! At this point, we tell ourselves, the only thing we aren’t sure about is whether we really are going to Portugal.
We had booked a “scouting trip” to Portugal for October of 2021, hoping that the pandemic would have loosened up enough by then that vacation travel would be allowed again. We have a nice itinerary picked out, where we’ll spend some time in a few different likely spots to settle into. And let’s just settle this now – yes, you’re right, that’s not really enough time to be sure about a place to live in. For sure. However, you are required to have a one-year lease already signed when you apply for your visa, so you’ve got to pick some-where. Some people decide to make several trips before picking a place, which is a perfectly reasonable way to do things. What Lisa and I decided was that we wouldn’t be moving with a lot of household goods; we’d be renting a furnished apartment. And, well, we can put up with ANYTHING for a year. So, we were going to do our best to find a landing spot, land there, and if we hate it we have twelve months to ramble (a ha!) around the country and find where we want to go next. It’s just no skin off of our noses. So, good? Good. Trip in October, come back and have a “come to Jesus” meeting on November 1st; a household meeting (I mean, there’s just the two of us, but whatever) where we look each other in the eye and say “yea or nay” to this whole expedition. Assuming “yea”, we’d then have from November to May to get our affairs in order. No problem-o. (We also come up with this really lovely plan to sail across the Atlantic to begin our new life; it started out as a way to make the best of not having enough airline miles for another international flight so soon after October, and also to avoid showing up to our new home jet-lagged. The more we ponder it the more we really like the idea.) (While we did eventually sail across the Atlantic, it was on a different trip, years down the line….) The November 1st house meeting began to loom in our household as a Very Important Date. We would explore, then we would Decide.
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Ok, it blows my mind that this post is missing one of the most important conversations of our entire lives; certainly one of the most critical one of this process. Dear Lord, amateur writers indeed. So, here’s what we totally forgot to write, back in the day: one quiet evening, we are sitting in our beloved, now-gone Queen Anne chairs, looking out on our peaceful backyard. We’re chewing the fat on some aspect or other of our scouting trip, just noodling around. Something about the tone of the conversation starts to tug at my attention, and eventually I get the courage to say to Lisa, give or take, “we are talking about this plan in pretty concrete terms. ‘We will go on scouting trip at X.’ ‘We will make a decision on November 1.’ ‘We will begin the consolidating process before year-end.’ Et cetera… Sweetie, do you think there’s any chance that we’re going to come back from our scouting trip and decide not to move?”
She goes very still. Now that I’ve said it out loud she realizes she’s been thinking it, too. With a slow, nervous smile she looked at me and said “no, not really.” It was like when you find the right key for the door you’re trying to get into and you feel the lock click open. “So, why,” I asked her, “are we bothering with the scouting trip?” And I swear to you it was just that simple. We’d already decided that we were comfortable with the idea that we could put up with anything for a year if we had to, so why not treat that as, at worst, an extended scouting trip?
Ok, so that’s the last revision to the plan, right? We don’t need the scouting trip, so we’ll save a little money there, and we’ll start laying out the details for the mid-2022 move. Awesome!
Except!
Except. As we are noodling around with our plans, we see several houses in our neighborhood go on the market and sell, almost instantly, for significant amounts over their asking prices. Like I said, insanely hot market. The numbers keep going up. And somewhere out of the blue (but certainly out of much thinking in her mind) Lisa says to me “if our house would sell for an additional $50,000 from where we’ve been budgeting, I’d be comfortable with leaving earlier.” See, our budget had included what we already thought was an optimistic estimate of a sale price for our home, but the market seemed to be blowing past this estimate like we were standing still. So, with quite a bit of anxiety, we schedule a meeting with an old neighbor friend of ours who is now a quite successful real estate agent. (Mildly embarassing to realize that we didn’t originally include a link. Sorry, Andrew!) Not that we’re bragging about our real estate agent exactly, we just mean to say that he’s a reliable source of information; he’s sold hundreds of homes over the last few years. We met on Monday, June 21st. After a lovely presentation from Andrew the conclusion is that he recommends us to list at $60,000 over our budgeted number, and notes that on average the homes in our area have been going for ~9% over asking price. Gulp.
Nothing in life is certain except death and taxes, I’m told, and certainly a lot can go wrong in the world between now and then. (Many things went sideways, but not this part of the plan!) But if the world spins on at even roughly the way it is now, we are going to list our home in late October. We will spend Thanksgiving with Lisa’s family in San Francisco, and on the 29th of November we will board a flight that will end in Lisbon, Portugal.
1 Adherents to the FI/RE movement would not approve of this math; typically they see ~80% success as way too tolerant of risk. We’ve learned a lot from those folks, and I’m not really prepared to dispute their logic. All I can say is that we’ve searched our hearts and decided we’re comfortable with this level of risk.
Comments (2)
I’m probably around your age (56), maybe a little older, but I totally see where you are coming from. I’ll probably will be continuing my business (US tax consulting and preparation) with my stateside clients and also with some new expat clients. So, my own plan (which I moved up a few years), will have me doing a scouting trip in May (after tax season), and then putting my visa application in for end August 2022.
I also looked into other countries. I’d love to move to Germany (some family and I love the food), but I would be exchanging paying high insurance to US to Germany. France, was also on my radar, but the more and more I’ve been researching, there is not much openness to outsiders. And I’m concerned about the higher crime rate in the metropolitan areas like Paris.
Portugal from everything I’m reading and watching is a much more open country. Crime is much lower and I’m pretty happy to hear about their health care. The US may have great medical advances, but it is neither affordable or accessible if you don’t have the income. Currently paying almost $1,000 a month for myself with a $6,500 deductible.
Sorry this went on so long! But your post had opened something up.
Kris, I have no idea if you’ll see this with so much time passing. First of all, I’m *so* sorry that we missed your comment back in the day (so to speak). We aren’t inundated with replies so I don’t know how that happened. Sorry about that.
May I ask how you have progressed? So much has changed in the world, you could be anywhere at all. Hope for the best for you in any case!